On Thursday’s Mark Levin Show, Tucker Carlson, AKA Chatsworth Osborne Jr, is a lunatic in Mark’s opinion. He is a profit-driven opportunist who shifts positions for personal gain. Mark’s visit to the White House was at President Trump’s invitation and not about advocating for war with Iran which is absurd. Carlson’s accusations are incoherent and desperate. Carlson aligns with Iranian interests and undermines Trump’s policies. Also, the big beautiful bill, which delivers substantial tax cuts for blue-collar workers, middle-class families, and Social Security recipients while securing funding for Border Patrol and the military, must pass. If the Republican coalition fails to pass the bill, Democrats will push for higher spending and no tax cuts, leading to a worse outcome. Congress needs to act practically rather than philosophically. A Convention of States offers a path to address these challenges effectively. Afterward, what’s going on with Karine Jean-Pierre’s sudden shift from Democrat to Independent? This is just another calculated move to promote her book, which is self-centered gossip rather than substantive ideas.
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Segment 1
My God, There’s a lot going on today and I’ve been chomping at the bit. I had to be honest with you. Before we get to trump any on and so forth. I’ve got to do a little cleanup on our three. Tucker Carlson is a lunatic. And for those of you who think you know him, you do not. Is a false prophet. And by prophet I mean pro fight. He’s one thing today. He was one thing yesterday and he was something else before that. I’ve been a constitutional conservative, a Reagan conservative, my entire adult life. Nothing neocon about me, but there’s a lot that’s neocon about Tucker Carlson. If we’re going to use the phrase and let’s use it right. But before I do, he wrote. A really incoherent screed. Because he’s desperate. He’s upset. He says. Mark Levin was at the White House today lobbying for war with Iran. Donald Trump and I are friends. Good friends. I try not to bother him. I don’t ask to come to the White House. I don’t ask to go to Mar a Lago. If I’m there, it’s because he asked me. And he asked me. Now I know who was in that discussion with us, and I’m not going to violate any confidentiality. There’s nothing secret about my views about anything. Hell, I’m here five days a week, 3 hours a day. I’m on Blaze. I’m on TV. My views are well known to millions and millions of people, even this reprobate, Carlson. But I think we’ll call him now what Rush used to call him, of course, Chatsworth Osborne Jr, because he looks like a kook. A nerd used to have the bow tie. Chatsworth. I didn’t meet the president to lobby for war with Iran. But I know who is in there and I know who leaked this to their boy. CARLSON And I’m not going to forget it. And at the proper time, that person will be confronted by me. Not physically. Of course not. It was either that person or a person on his staff. And there’s been a hell of a lot of leaking against the president, against his policies. By this shadow government within a government. The isolationists. The fifth columnists who are trying to usurp his presidency and force policies on him that he himself doesn’t agree with. Carlson Excuse me. Chatsworth. To be clear, Levin has no plans to fight in this or in any other war. So I’m not allowed not allowed to have an opinion about a possible war or foreign policy or anything else. Now think about how moronic that is. Just think about it for 2 seconds. So if you’re not personally involved in an event that affects the whole country, you have no say. Tucker Carlson never touches big, fat mouth and he can’t stop talking about this stuff. And so if Iran gets a nuclear weapon and threatens us and so forth and so on, is he going to war? No. So shut the hell up. Chatsworth But let me go on. He says he’s demanding that American troops do it. Mr. Producer. Have I ever demanded that American troops do it? Whatever that means. Not once. So he just lies. We need to stop Iran from building nuclear weapons. He and like minded ideologues in Washington are now arguing. That’s been the position of the president of the United States for ten years. That’s the position of Donald Trump. That’s been the position of MAGA for ten years. And by the way, Rasmussen has a poll out right now the last couple of days. 84%. 84% does not want Iran to get nuclear weapons. So Tucker’s in the 16%. And you have to ask yourself, why is Tucker a special pleader for Iran? Why is Tucker a special pleader for Qatar? Why is Tucker a special pleader for Putin? Why isn’t he a special Peter, for the United States? Stop hiding behind our military. Stop hiding behind our people. Forget about the establishment and all the rest. Who is this guy? He says, If this sounds familiar, it’s because the same people have been making the same claims since at least the 1990s. It’s a lie. In fact, there is zero credible intelligence that suggests Iran is anywhere near building a bomb or has plans to. Is he illiterate? So let me get this straight. The IAEA, the U.N., which hates America, hates Israel. They’re lying. The Austrian intelligence, They’re lying. The other European intelligence agencies. They’re lying. And I guess. Our own CIA, our own Trump appointees are lying. Everybody’s lying. But Tucker knows because Tucker obviously has inside information, he must be getting it from his friends that Qatar is the Iranians. Putin I don’t know where he’s getting it from. 350 foot steel cement bunker underground. That’s like give away. The Iranians themselves have confessed pretty much to what they’re doing because they refused to give it up. But Tucker wants you to believe it’s all a mirage. And so the whole country’s future, the future of civilization, the future of your family depends on Tucker. Chutzpa. He goes on. Anyone who claims otherwise is ignorant or dishonest. If the US government knew Iran was weeks from possessing a nuclear weapon, we’d be at war already. Here’s a guy lobbying against war on any circumstances. And by war, he means even limited tactical hits. Not a full out Aubrey, but he thinks a full out war is needed. Nobody’s talking about that except him. And his Luddite friends know what he’s talking about. A full, full scale war like Iraq. Is somebody sending a quarter of a million troops? Nobody. The Israelis are saying, let Saddam. We’ll take care of it. No, no. No, no. Then he goes on. He says, Iran knows this, and he would know what Iran knows, I guess, which is why they aren’t building one. So Iran is not building nukes. Okay, Case closed. Tucker says Iran is not building nukes. Let’s pull back. Forget about what our intelligence agency says. The Europeans, the U.N., the IAEA. Forget about what the Iranians have already confessed to. Tucker knows. Tucker knows. And maybe a couple of this comedian buddies know. What an air hole. Seriously? Iran knows it’s unwise to give up its weapons program entirely. Okay, wait a minute. He says they’re not building a nuclear weapon. And Iran also knows it’s unwise to give up its weapons program entirely. Mr. Producer, is that even coherent? Tucker, are you an idiot? Have you had a recent head injury? He goes on. Moammar Gadhafi tried that and wound up sodomized with a bayonet. As soon as Gadhafi disarmed, Naito killed him. First of all, it was years later. Secondly, Naito didn’t kill him. His people killed him, you moron. With a bang up of the you know, what Iran’s leaders saw that happened? They learned the obvious lesson. Well, what is the obvious lesson? Don’t give up your nuclear warheads. Don’t give up your nuclear program. The morons making my argument. But let’s go on. So why is Mark Levin once again hyperventilating? Against weap about weapons of mass destruction. To distract you from the real goal, which is regime change. Young Americans heading back to the Middle East to topple yet another government. Have I ever said regime change, Mr. President? So he has to create these false arguments. This is a lunatic. I never said there should be regime change. I certainly never said we ought to be sending American troops like Iraq. What does this have to do with Iraq? Iraq was a full out war. It was about. Imposing a democracy on Iraq. Nobody is saying a full out war, imposing democracy. They’re saying, Hey, these bastards are built on nukes. We better take them out. Is this too confusing for Chatsworth to understand? Apparently it is. I thought he went to prep school, Mr.. But then he got to prep school. What was he doing at prep school? We don’t want to know. Virtually no one will say this out loud. Yeah, because you’re an idiot. America’s record of overthrowing foreign governments is so embarrassingly counterproductive that regime change. So now he’s talking to himself that regime change has become a synonym for disaster. I didn’t call for regime change. Officially, no one supports it. Ah, so you don’t call for it. So he says you must support it secretly. In your own mind. Psycho. So instead of telling the truth about their motives, they manufacture hysteria. The truth about my motives. It’s to prevent them from having a nuclear bomb. What are you talking about? A country like Iran could never have the bomb. They’ll nuke Los Angeles. We have to act now. He puts in quotes with an exclamation sarcastic about nuclear. Here’s a guy they keep saying. In response to anything that goes on. We’re going to start World War Three. We’re going to have a nuclear war. So when you actually identify a country that’s trying to get a nuclear weapon that says it hates America. Then it wants to take us out. Then he says. Oh, you’re being hysterical. This guy’s got more personalities than Sybil. They don’t really mean this there again. And you can tell they don’t buy what they omit. Or to tell you, palm reader, At least two of Iran’s neighbors, both Islamic nations already have nuclear weapons. Now, I have tried to figure out the two Islamic neighbors of Iran. Now he’s talking about Pakistan. Pakistan has a nuclear weapon. I wish they didn’t. We actually have a military alliance with Pakistan, ladies and gentlemen. And Pakistan and its people at the head of their government. They’re not screaming death to America every day. Chad, when you see the distinction. It’s an ally, even though it’s an uneasy ally. We have a military alliance with them and they’re not threatening the United States. Iran hates us, threatens to blow us at the face of the earth. And they in really see the distinction. It’s not that they’re Muslims. It’s that you’ve got Islamist terrorists running one regime and not the other. I can draw a picture for you if you like. He says, How come? Because it’s not the weapons he hates. It’s the ideology of the Iranian government. Which is why he’s lobbing over threat number one. Yes, I do hate the ideology. The Iranian government, which is Islamist Nazi, to slaughter people who are in the way like the West. Do you not hear what they say? Is your head Too far up. You know whose butt coming out is right? Nazareth. You hear what they say? Yeah. I have a problem with their ideology, which talks about wiping out. Off the face of the earth. Oh, and the Jew says that. Okay, Tucker, if I mention that, I know. The Jews are trying to get us, in a way. We got that. It goes without saying that there are very few Trump voters who support a regime change war in Iran. There’s very few any voters who called for regime change in Iran. Try to stay focused. It doesn’t serve his purposes. He’s a false prophet. Donald Trump has argued loudly against reckless lunacy like this. I’m supporting the Trump policy. Moron, you are not. You are supporting the Iranian policy. That’s the difference. Trump ran for president as a peace candidate, making sure Iran does not get nuclear weapons, which Trump has said for a decade, makes him the peace candidate. You see, I’m for peace. You’re the warmonger. That’s what made him different from conventional Republicans. He’s not different from conventional Republicans on this issue. Republicans support him by significant numbers to make sure Iran does not get a bomb. It would end his presidency. That may explain why so many of Trump’s enemies are advocating for. Now there’s the paranoia, Mr. Minister. Do I have to take a break now? Ladies and gentlemen, I’ve got a lot more. And after I break this down. Oh, my goodness. I can’t wait to reveal some other things to you. We’ll be right back.
Segment 2
Stick with me, folks. It’s time that this lunatic is undressed. And those of you who are followers of hers, I’ve heard him maybe really need to understand. You don’t know what you’re following. This guy selling you a bill of goods. You haven’t even heard the half of it. By the way, I only have 40, 50 seconds here. A very brilliant point was just made to me. There’s no way that Donald Trump that there’s any Epstein stuff on Donald Trump. Why? Because if Biden would have released it a long time ago, certainly before the election, the Department of Justice would have. So that’s in my view. On its face absolutely bogus. Why would they have held that back? They would not have held it back. So you heard it here first. I heard it from a dear friend of mine, and that dear friend is correct. That’s got to be bogus because Biden would have used it. The Democrats would have used it, The corrupt attorney general would have used it. It would have been used. There’s nothing to use. All right. Stick with me. This is important. As ugly as it is. I’m addressing Chad’s burn. What the hell is his name? What chads weren’t. Osborn Junior, a.k.a. Tucker. I’ll be right back.
Segment 3
Chatsworth, Osborn Jr, a.k.a. Tucker Carlson. He’s being called famously now online line Tucker Qatar Olsen. Because of that slobbering interview we did all over the inbred who runs Qatar. He loves the dictator’s. Putin. Putin thought the interview was so pathetic, he humiliated. Chatsworth afterwards saying, I thought he was going to ask me some tough stuff. No, no. I enjoyed the subway system in Moscow. That’s how far gone this guy is. He’s taking you for a ride, America. The vast majority of America knows that. But they some of you who who worship this demigod, and you ought not to. He’s taking you for a ride. Goes on. And then there’s the question of the war itself. Iran may not have nukes. So keep in mind, Iran doesn’t have anything we have to worry about. So we ought not hit Iran. But it has a fearsome arsenal, ballistic missiles, many of which are aimed at U.S. military installations in the Gulf, as well as our allies and a critical energy infrastructure. The first week of a war with Iran could easily kill thousands of Americans. Now, it could, unfortunately kill thousands of Israelis. Because they’ve Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and major cities. But it’s not going to kill thousands of Americans. It could collapse our economy. Yeah, that’s right. We’re relying on Iran for our economy. As surging oil prices trigger unimaginable inflation, it’s unimaginable. Consider $30 a gallon gasoline. Yeah, think about it. It won’t happen. We don’t get our gasoline and oil from Iran. We’re supposed to have policies in place where they can’t even sell any of it on the open market. Right. So how would it affect us? Just saying. But the second week of the war could be even worse, he says. Iran is in Iraq or Libya or even North Korea. While it’s often described as a rogue state. Iran has powerful allies. It’s now part of a global bloc called BRICS. A moron. BRICS is an economic group. It’s not a military group. It includes Brazil and India and others. Ladies, do you think Brazil and India are going to go to war so Iran can have nukes against the United States of America and Israel? Do you? Well, apparently Chatsworth does. And it’s now part of a global bloc called BRICS. Again, an economic alliance which represents the majority of the world’s landmass, population, economy and military power. Iran has extensive military ties with Russia. It serves the overwhelming majority of its oil exports to China. See? He gives with one hand, he takes with the other. So Iran is a threat. Is Iran a threat or not a threat? Chatsworth Do you know if it’s a threat or not a threat? What does your own intelligence tell you, since you don’t really rely on anybody else’s intelligence, particularly the United States intelligence or anybody else’s? It shows the overwhelming majority of a child of China and Iran isn’t alone. An attack on Iran could very easily become a world war. We lose. You know, that’s interesting. In the 1960s, Bill Buckley wrote a piece. You remember Bill Buckley, I believe, on a chatsworth kids is named after Buckley, or at least his brother is one of them. Is one of them’s named Buckley. I assume it’s Bill Buckley. Are we supposed to hate Bill Buckley now? So old school, you know, so is Aristotle, Cicero, you understand? Founders. So old school. Well, foremost to liberate the United States from rumbles left and right. An essay collection published in 1963 by Bill Buckley. Bill Buckley, not Buckley Carlson. And so we come to liberal Proposition three rates. Buckley All the roads that lead to the recovery of freedom or to the diminution of communist power, in this case, Islamist power are close to us because to follow them would mean a risk of nuclear war. There is the clinching argument in all liberal rhetoric by which they paralyse all purpose, all purposeful action everywhere in the world that aims at the improvement of the position of the free world. Here’s the ultimate mischief liberalism. Its capable of performing in this in the respect the liberalism most clearly does the work of the Communists, or in this case, the Islamists. The object of whose propaganda for years has been discernible, namely to terrorize the West into inactivity by threats of nuclear war or in case of chads, was point nuclear war and World War three. Because you see all these Arab countries that want Iran destroyed. They may say one thing publicly, but privately they’ve said something else. They want Iran destroyed because Iran tried to overthrow Kuwait. They want to overthrow Saudi Arabia. Egypt can’t stand them. They’ve tried to overthrow Jordan because they know Iran wants to control the region. Chatsworth knows it, too. Which one of those Arab countries would join in with Iran to attack the United States and Israel? Can you name one? Mr.. I mean, in April. The Egyptians, the Jordanians, they allowed the United States even allowed the Israelis to fire over their own airspace. The Egyptians were supportive to. Who helped Iran in April? Nobody. April of last year. But don’t worry, don’t worry. Chads where Tucker Carlson has it all figured out. Like a good lip. What is he to me? He sounds like Bernie Sanders. Am I missing something? He sounds like Bernie Sanders when it comes to national security. He just does. Look, it goes on. It’s just so stupid. They’re so stupid. Over at National Review, a friend of ours, Philip Klein, to be dismissed, of course, because he’s Jewish, says Carlsen, offers two contrasting portraits of Ryan. On one hand, he describes Iran as a nation that poses no threat and argues that there’s no reason to fear gaining nuclear weapons. On the other, he warns of its fearsome art. My point Arsenal Ballistic missiles would kill thousands of American troops in a week and that ultimately we’d lose war against the country. It Carlson has everything backwards. Right now, Iran is vulnerable. It fired hundreds of ballistic missiles and drones at Israel on two separate occasions. But thanks to Israeli. Got that, Tucker. Israeli Jews and U.S. missile defense systems. And to help the regional partners, there was barely any damage. Last October, Israel launched retaliatory strikes against Iran, crippling its missile production, damaged much of its antiaircraft capability without losing a single aircraft. And what happened to the price of fuel. It went down. So there’s now a window to destroy Iran’s nuclear program, or at least they set a severe setback. But Chatsworth says no. This isn’t the first time Carlson has issued paranoid warnings about Iranian retaliation after President Trump successfully ordered the killing of Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Commander Qassem Soleimani. I remember this. Carlsen claimed the attack had put the U.S. on the brink of war. I, quote unquote. At that time, he also invoked the Iraq example, stating, Let’s see your stating of those who favored Trump’s action. These are the same people who lied about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction way back in 2002. And doing that got us into an utterly pointless war that dramatically weakened our country. The people pushing conflict with Iran are the same people who did it then actually charge born. You were one of them. Again, nobody other than Carlson and his allies are arguing the U.S. is going to use the Iraq war model for military action against Iran. As things currently stand, Iran is marching toward a nuclear weapon. And the supreme leader has rejected President Trump’s demand that it abandon uranium enrichment. Carlson’s position, in effect, is that Trump should cave caved to the demands of Iran on enrichment. He likes to portray himself as an opponent of the elites. But the idea of negotiating with Iran, rather than striking its nuclear program militarily is as close as you can get to a Washington elite establishment consensus. In fact, his idea that the only alternative is to signing a bad deal with Iran is World War three is a false choice right out of the playbook of Barack Obama and John Kerry. So which is it? As Chatsworth. Tucker Carlson, Bernie Sanders or Barack Obama or John Kerry. You pick and you suckers that follow this guy. Trust me, you’re going to regret it one day. He’s such a moron. How much time do I have? Rich. All right, let’s get to it. Wasn’t that long ago when Chatsworth was writing for The Weekly Standard. The Weekly Standard marketed itself as a neoconservative magazine. I never work for a neoconservative magazine. I was never a neoconservative. Using their nomenclature. But Chatsworth was he was at the end of his five years there, five years working under Bill Kristol. He was a senior editor at the neoconservative Weekly Standard. I mean, Crystal’s father was. He was called the godfather of the neoconservative movement, a very good man, by the way, unlike his son. Irving Kristol, founding father. And so there you have Irving Bill. And Chad’s worth. Tucker. He chose to work in a magazine that promoted a neoconservative perspective. But not only that. Chatsworth. He went on C-SPAN at the time talking about Pat Buchanan trashing him basically as an anti-Semite. And what’s interesting about what Chatsworth has to say is. Chad was talking about himself today. You take a listen. Go. I mean, this is part of the sad thing with Pat Buchanan, as far as I’m concerned. And just to restate, I mean. That does raise issues that I think are important. I mean, I think that, you know, the sovereignty of the American military, etc. I mean, these are not just crank issues, but unfortunately, Pat Buchanan raises them in a way that I think is discredited. And when attacked, he can always fall back on the line. Well, the you know, the tiny cabal that controls American politics doesn’t like me because I speak truth to power. This is actually, incidentally, almost verbatim what he said the other day, that I offend the plutocracy, that I’m a wanted man by the inside the Beltway people and in every sense cast himself as a as a victim who is sort of a Karen Silkwood of politics, someone who’s so truthful that he’s being hunted down by the by the conspiracy that runs Washington. I mean, it’s all a bit much. Maybe Pat Buchanan just says things that are kind of kooky and that’s why he’s being criticized. It’s perfectly valid to to question America’s relationship with Israel. Israel has a lobby. It’s perfectly fair, as far as I’m concerned, to beat up on Israel’s lobby. But that’s I don’t think that’s the reason that Buchanan is being labeled an anti-Semite. It’s this kind of, as I’ve said, this this relentless, just relentless bringing up topics related to Judaism. I mean, famously, Pat, you know, always beats up on Goldman Sachs, but never Morgan Stanley. I mean, it’s really hard to there is no point at which I began and held a press conference and said, you know, I really don’t like the Jews. I think they’re a sinister force in America. But I think and it took me years to come to this to this position, mean I’m not throwing the term anti-Semite around. But you reach a point when you say, well, gee, you know, here’s a guy who has gone out of his way to to defend Demjanjuk and other accused Nazi war criminals who’s constantly attack Israel, who’s attacked American Jews for supporting Israel unduly, who’s implied that American Jews push America into wars in which non-Jews die? There really is. And again, I’m not hysterical on the subject, but I do believe that there is a pattern with Pat Buchanan of needling the Jews. Is that anti-Semitic? Yeah. I mean, after all, you conclude it is in some sense anti-Semitic. I mean, Pat Buchanan obviously has a lot of personal and affectionate relationships with people who are Jewish. So it on a personal level, perhaps he’s not, but on a on a different maybe thematic level, I think he probably is. I think that people should be allowed to have differing views on immigration. I think people should be allowed to point out the fact that there is an Israeli lobby. And yes, it’s powerful and debate the merits of that. I, I guess I don’t think there’s, strictly speaking, anything wrong with that. But again, I think Pat Buchanan is part of the reason it’s so hard to have that conversation, because he discredited by his by his presence, because he gives people who watch them carefully the sense that he has another agenda that has to do with personal dislike and that he believes in conspiracies and and that he believes that the Jews are this sinister, secretly organized force trying to affect American politics. And those aren’t discussions I think normal people or people should be having, because I think they’re ludicrous. By the way, he sounds like a preppy boy, doesn’t he? He didn’t go to my high scoring day then. But that said. Doesn’t it sound like he’s pointing at himself about now? He does to me. That’s just my opinion. They are happy to you, you jerk. But they all happen here. You bang your head or something. Because something is screwed up big time. I’ll be right back.
Segment 4
Dick Carlson was Tucker’s father. I met him a couple of times. We both worked in the Reagan administration together. And let me say this. I really liked him. He was a class act. He was a Reaganite, was a conservative. He was vehemently anti-communist. And pro-Israel. Strongly pro-Israel. Anti Islamist terrorists. Now, Dick Carlson was at one point the vice chairman of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. Which Chad’s worse thugs and others call a neocon operation not to be believed when it comes to Iran. Of course, it’s a fantastic organisation that does exactly what its title says. And Dick Carlson played a major role in that organization for a significant period of time. He was vice chairman, as I said, in in the Reagan administration. I’m doing this by memory. I believe he was the head of Voice of America, which was crucially important during the. During the battles in the Cold War with the Soviet Union. A great patriot and a brilliant guy, by the way. And I’m going to play you just 2 minutes of what he said when he was interviewed on C-SPAN to underscore what a patriot this man was. And he passed recently, unfortunately cut 23 go. Majority of Islamists are perfectly good citizens and don’t follow radical Islam, which we consider an enemy. Radical Islam is clearly an enemy of the United States and of the West. As you know, there have been articles written that accuse you all out of accusation, but it says is a pro-Zionist group not really interested in terrorism but more interested in Zionism? Well, I’d say consider the source. They they come from the they come from the people who use the word Zionist a lot. The American conservative is one of them. Pat Buchanan as well. Okay. All right. I didn’t know. Oh, I remember That article actually actually was not uncomplimentary in some ways. No. And I didn’t mean it as an accusation. They said that was the foundation. And the reason that a lot of Jewish philanthropies funded this thing in the first place. That’s not necessarily true. But we do we do. We run a program for college students in and we do it at the University of Tel Aviv and Tel Aviv University. And we but we chose Israel because Israel is a country under siege and it’s a democracy in a part of the world where there are no democracies and and it’s under constant irregular terrorist attack and threat. So it seemed like a logical place. If you’re going to study certain diseases, you might go to Africa. In the case of terrorism, going to Israel is a good place to go. That may be what stuck in their craw. I don’t know. I don’t even start to cry. But one of the things you find interesting is that these organizations often have a lot of the same people on it. But the reason I ask you that is for sure, what where does this strong motivation come from for these organizations? And I know you’ve seen people give money. Why do they give money to make these things happen? What do they want out of it? Well, I think in the case of the people on our board, they ask for nothing. And, you know, we have our board of advisors and we do have Democrats not it’s not all on the right wing. Donna Brazile is one of them. Chuck Schumer is another one. Donna Brazile, whose foreign policy views are pretty damn sensible. Joseph Lieberman. I view Joe Lieberman. I mean, Louis Freeh, Newt Gingrich, some neo cons. There are neo cons, for sure. Bill Kristol. Yeah, the former governor of and there there are differences between those people and how they stand on abortion, how they stand on other issues. I don’t know. I could guess it, some of it. There’s no unanimity of opinion, but I think all of them are public spirited people. I know most of those people who visit Louis Freeh I know really well they’re they are enormously interested in what happens to America and they’re big defenders of democracy. And I think that’s the reason they do it. They get nothing out of it. All they do is have get put upon in one form or another. You know, lots of people like that. They are genuinely, honestly, most. So really good man, unfortunately passed not too long ago. He was a Reaganite. He was a cold warrior. He was a hawk. And that organization, the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, comes under unrelenting attack. Unrelenting attack is being effectively controlled by the Jews. What’s happening now is a little troublesome. First of all, again, I want to remind the person who I believe leaked the fact that I had a meeting with. There’s nothing super secret about it, but I try to keep. The president wants something between us to be held a certain way. That’s fine. But I will be calling you at some point. But what’s happening now is there’s sort of this subterranean movement going on with the isolationist, the fifth Column, the same people to take out conservatives with look, replace them with people who support Charles Koch. I call them Charles Koch heads.